Honda, y u do dis

"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani) 01/05/2018 at 20:46 • Filed to: save the manuals

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This has to be the stupidest thing I’ve heard.

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So they just want us to rage-quit from buying manuals now, so they can discontinue it?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 21:02

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Electronic parking brakes are the devil. See also: Ben Franklin

interstate366, now In The Industry > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/05/2018 at 21:05

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This. They’ve always said that you’re supposed to engage the parking brake as the first step of starting the engine. (Just checked my TSX’s owner’s manual for confirmation.) The electric parking brake just makes it enforceable.

Urambo Tauro > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 21:07

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Honda: “Fuck your push starts. If your starter motor fails, you must have your car towed. ...to the nearest authorized Honda service center, of course.”

facw > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 21:16

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Shouldn’t you have your parking break on already anyway? I guess it would be a pain if you stall it somewhere on the road...

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 21:20

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That’s dumb. It would be annoying under normal conditions but I would probably just rage quit if I stalled it.

- Stall it

- Clutch in, foot on brake, neutral, hit parking brake switch

- wait for parking brake to engage

- hit start button

- hit parking brake switch, wait for brake to dissengage

- select first

- drive off

The simple process of turning a key has turned into 15 seconds of waiting on electronics you don’t want in a manual car in the first place to do their thing just so you can restart the engine.

jvirgs drives a Subaru > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 21:26

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That would drive me absolutely fucking nuts.

Recovering Gaijin > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 21:33

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Brb: gathering torches & pitchforks...

-that’s my knee jerk reaction

-close second is thinking that I would want to splice in a defeat switch.

404 - User No Longer Available > interstate366, now In The Industry 01/05/2018 at 21:39

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Actually I’m sure our regular clicky parking brakes are enforceable too... I mean that parking brake light in the dash needs an electronic signal too.

interstate366, now In The Industry > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 21:50

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Yeah, I should have said easier to enforce.

404 - User No Longer Available > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 01/05/2018 at 21:50

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You forgot furious people behind you honking and overtaking you dangerously every two steps.

This actually creates a safety issue. I don’t think they thought this through.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > facw 01/05/2018 at 21:53

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Meh. I rarely use mine in parking lots. If it is flat first gear will hold the car just fine.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 01/05/2018 at 21:57

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There’s got to be some sort of detection for stalls, right? Like if the engine stops without you switching it off maybe it doesn’t force this? I don’t stall often, but the other day I stalled for the first time in almost a year in the middle of a three lane road by letting the clutch out too slowly on a lazy 2-3 shift. Revs got too low it bogged and died. Cars were coming up on my butt. If I had to fuss with a parking brake I’d have been in full rage mode.

smobgirl > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 01/05/2018 at 22:00

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Every time I’ve stalled in the last year it’s because I inexplicably shifted into second in the parking lot at work and forgot to shift into first to turn out of it. As long as I can leave the car rolling while I turn the key it’s no big deal but this would be a catastrophe.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/05/2018 at 22:01

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They wouldn’t be so bad if they went off more quickly. Dropping a handbrake takes, what, a half second tops? Meanwhile the stupid motor doodad in my Outback takes like 2-3 seconds to full disengage while making an obnoxious neee-oooooo-wop sound when you push the button in.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 01/05/2018 at 22:03

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What’s more satisfying that pulling a handbrake anyway? Not pressing a goddamn plastic clicky-doo-bicky, that’s what.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 22:04

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This is an excellent point. I don’t stall my own vehicles because I know the clutch well, but I have to drive a buddy’s car, you bet your ass I’ll stall twice in the first two minutes.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/05/2018 at 22:13

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I thought football was the devil

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > OPPOsaurus WRX 01/05/2018 at 22:14

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FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > smobgirl 01/05/2018 at 22:15

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I can’t even imagine trying to learn in it... though maybe it would be added motivation to get it right so you don’t have to deal with this. In other news I was behind an obviously new manual driver in a 500 Abarth with paper tags the other day who kept stalling it. I could she was getting a bit flustered when it happened the third time in about a mile and it took her a while to get it going again. I wish there was some way I could’ve let her know it didn’t bother me at all because she was doing God’s work to save the manuals in a great little car to do it in.

wafflesnfalafel > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 22:21

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WTH... Look! We “improved” it! That is a perfect example of the engineers that designed it never driving a manual transmission vehicle... F’n morons. That should have never gotten past the design review committee.

smobgirl > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 01/05/2018 at 22:23

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I had the WORST drive about 2 weeks after I got mine. I had to go to a doctors appointment half an hour away (follow up for back surgery, so that didn’t help) and took a back route to annoy fewer people but it was so hilly and had so many stop signs and this guy on a moped kept getting so close he would steady himself on the hatch at lights. My doctor teased me for months about how flustered I was when I finally got there.

But good for her! The car was definitely worth learning for!

404 - User No Longer Available > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 01/05/2018 at 22:36

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You might want to reconsider...

But yes, I sometimes do not use my parking brake, e.g. after washing my car and parking it back in my own spot that is flat. That’s because the wet brakes would stick the next day.

Tekamul > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 22:57

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My wife’s manual Audi has an electronic parking brake. As bad as you think it is, it’s 100 times worse.

It doubles as a hill start assist. It’s wildly inconsistent, and it has grabbed on so tight sometimes that the car stalls.

It loves to beep at me about setting the parking brake, then having to step on the brake pedal before it will let me set the parking brake. All the beeps.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com 01/05/2018 at 23:27

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It’s more of a neeeeemmmmdooop

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/05/2018 at 23:29

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I would not buy a car if it requires the electronic parking brake to be on to start. Up here in the great white north parking brakes freeze in the on position if engaged in cold weather like 0 or below which we have already had several times this year.

Out, but with a W - has found the answer > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 01/06/2018 at 04:14

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That’s one (the only?) positive thing about modern start-stop systems: in most of them you just need to push the clutch in to have it restart after a stall.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/06/2018 at 10:49

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Fair enough. Now I wonder how far I would actually roll if I didn’t have the brake on and got bumped in a spot like this...